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Hmm I guess that my passive voice examples are relatively hard to grokk in comparison to your rewording 😞. ATM I only see a big problem with description consistency as we do not have guidelines here. I would suggest renaming this issue to "make the description consistent" with at least following action items:
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I'll cleanup the passive voice from my examples. But it is a large (and less than exciting) effort so I would rather wait for clear guideline I can imitate (I'm not not native english speaker so my perspective regarding the language is largely skewed as evident from this issue :) ). |
Well this is not disheartening at all 😞 Passive voice examples by budziq:
Passive voice examples by other contributors: |
Aw, don't feel bad @budziq! Look at all those great examples. |
Reopening until I get a chance to write about this in contributing.md. |
Well, english is not my natal language... so a reference, pdf book (free of course) or something related to what is pasive voice and how to redact properly would be great! (ie, for me the passive voice and the not passive voice in the OP are OK to me, because I dont get what "this mean", I only read and "get it"). Found this http://www.sjsu.edu/writingcenter/docs/handouts/Passive_Voice.pdf thought I still dont get it much. |
@tyoc213 The point is that as you read a sentence, you should be able to understand the fraction of the sentence you have read so far. When you are 25% of the way through the sentence, you should understand what that 25% means and how it contributes to the full sentence. When you are 50% of the way through the sentence, you should understand what that 50% means, etc. In passive voice, often things are backward so that you read the first 50% of the sentence, misunderstand it or don't understand it, read the rest of the sentence, and last 50% gives you the context to understand the first 50%. This is subconsciously frustrating and makes the material seem more confusing than it is. Using an example from your pdf link:
As you are reading the passive voice:
Versus active voice:
Maybe the difference is more subtle to a non-native English speaker because you could be accustomed to reading sentences more than once to fully understand them. In that case it wouldn't affect you if the sentence needs information from the second half to understand the first half correctly. |
Well probably but Im a pro at reading english xD.. it seems that it is more difficult to people that droped out of school http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/active-voice-versus-passive-voice?page=1 and as I have read spanish also has pasive and active, so... but I normally dont write much and less to be read by other people, I guess I normally write in pasive form. |
@tyoc213 please note that the rust-cookbook is aimed to be an introductory resource for programmers of different lingual and academic backgrounds. So we try to keep the prose short and as simple or simpler than the actual code examples. |
It might be so, but on the other end of the spectrum formal English education tends to ingrain more complicated forms in non native English speekers (like myself). |
I'm not satisfied with the passive voice convention that has developed for example descriptions. I find it backwards and harder to read than I would like.
Without meaning to pick on any individual instance, let me use this one as an example:
I don't have a strong preference between "make" and "makes" but either way I think this would be more readable without passive voice "is made." The rustdoc convention is "makes" tense so here is what that would look like:
Any opinion @budziq? I know you were an advocate of the passive voice.
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